Post by 8real on Aug 10, 2006 23:32:12 GMT -5
WARNING: This is not easy to accept. It is hard to believe such a horrible thing, that's why I feel obligated to get this information out.
Before you read this, you must realize a few things about myself. I am hoping this will clear up a few things that I am not, and that is, a person that thinks a missile hit the Pentagon, "Bush did it", or that any of the planes where switched with military jets that had "pods" on them.
I have a very firm stance on 9/11. And that is, we don't know who orchestrated 9/11. I do not believe it was only 19 Arab hijackers directed by Osama Bin-Laden. I believe there where a lot more people involved, some in our government, some not.
Now, that does not mean I think our whole government orchestrated it, but I honestly do believe that IF we wanted to stop those jets from hitting the targets, we could have. But there where so many "drills" going on that day(coincidence?) that we couldn't even stop a known hijacked plane, that had been traveling in the air for a hour!
I do not believe that any of the planes where "switched" with military planes. This would be a unnecessary risk. I believe they all hit the targets that the official story says they hit. I have a strong suspicion that flight 93 had a bomb on it and blew up in the air OR it was shot down. I do not believe the passengers forced the plane to crash, sorry if that offends anybody.
I believe WTC 1, 2 and 7 collapsed as a result of controlled demolition. Not plane impacts and the ensuing "jet fuel" fires. This is probably the hardest hypothesis to get people to accept. But I believe this topic has the most evidence.
Ok, I'm going to try and lay out some videos and articles..The focus of this thread is that WTC 1, 2 and 7 where brought down with thermite/thermate/superthermite or any other combination of explosives(controlled demolition). NOT plane crashes and jet fuel fires.
If you go through my collection of videos and articles, you will see that the case for controlled demolition is overwhelming. Please, if you have ANY question or if you have reason to think I am making this up, please say something...I welcome criticism, it will only strengthen my argument...
First and foremost, I feel this first link is the most important. I have a feeling a lot more people will start to believe if they take the time to read this paper. If you want to "wake up" here you go.
www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf (Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?)
Professor Jones has revealed that previously molten metal from the WTC is predominantly IRON(go look up the melting temperature of iron) so we can rule out aluminum! The previously molten metal has little(if any) chromium yet an abundance of magnesium, which rules out molten structural steel! The previously molten metal also has shown fluorine and sulfur in abundance! Fluorine is present in an oxidizer using polytetrafluoreothylene as its base, used in thermite charges. You take all four of these, fluorine, magnesium, sulfur and iron and what you get, is a fingerprint for thermate.
FEMA came out with a report about the "Mysterious Sulfidation of the WTC Steel"..the report does not do ANYTHING but reinforce Professor Jones hypothesis.
www.fema.gov/rebuild/mat/wtcstudy.shtm (FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study)
Here is a direct link to Appendix C which talks about the "Mysterious Sulfidation of the WTC Steel"
www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf (Appendix C of the FEMA WTC study)
The most important thing to remember about WTC 7 is that it was never hit by a airplane(no jet fuel or 500mph impact) and it had damage to 1 side(a multi story gash speculated to be anywhere from 15-20 stories high) with asymmetrical fires.
What I want you to see is, the SYMMETRICAL(asymmetrical damage and asymmetrical fires should not equal a symmetrical collapse) 6.5 second collapse of WTC Building 7. That is almost free-fall speeds in a vacuum! There is no possible way gravity and fires could have brought this building down at this rate. You will see a article down below that talks about "conservation-of-momentum" that explains this in detail.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5101488991907845273&q=WTC (Collapse of WTC 7)
Here are some slides from NIST's WTC 7 report. There are only two images provided to support NIST's conclusion that Building 7 sustained severe structural damage from the collapse of the North Tower. There is not 1 single picture that shows this supposed gash going up the middle of the building!
Here is a link to the NIST report of WTC 7, which is not even finished after 5 years! In the report, they use a DRAWING to claim there was a huge gash in the "center" of the building.
wtc.nist.gov/pubs/June2004WTC7StructuralFire&CollapseAnalysisPrint.pdf (NIST WTC 7 Structural Fire Response and Collapse Analysis)
Here is the drawing...
This image shows a giant gash in the building's southwest corner extending from the 18th floor downward.
This next image shows damage to the parapet wall at the top of the south-facing facade.This is the only picture that shows that there was supposed to be a huge 20 floor gash in the center of the building..
The other key piece of evidence, they report on the "scattered" fires..Take notice on what they say about the diesel fuel..
Even if we accept all of NIST's claims about extensive structural damage to WTC 7, and its claims about fires on several different floors, its collapse scenario is not remotely plausible. The alleged damage was asymmetric, confined to the tower's south side, and any weakening of the steelwork from fire exposure would also be asymmetric. Thus, even if the damage were sufficient to cause the whole building to collapse, it would have fallen over asymmetrically -- toward the south. But WTC 7 leaned slightly to the NORTH and fell straight down, into its footprint.
The damage was on the south face - a 20 story high gash in the center and the SW corner - and it leaned toward the north, onto West Broadway.
source: www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf (FEMA WTC 7 Incomplete Report)
This is a video of a engineer that graduated from MIT named Jeff King that talks about a few of the official theories that FEMA and NIST adopted. He goes onto explain that "controlled demolition" is the only answer for what happened on that day.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&q=jeff (Public speech by Jeff King)
If you are unfamiliar with "thermite". The following video shows what it is. It is fine aluminum and iron oxide powder. When it is ignited, out comes molten iron! Whatever that iron touches, it melts. Most people ask "How could they use thermite to bring down the towers?" Well, there is a specific patent out there for a casing/housing that is specifically designed to use thermite to cut steel. There is also thermite that is explosive.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7231843493488769585&q=thermite (short video that shows what "thermite" is)
You can see both GOVERNMENT patents for the housing that would allow you to attach thermite to VERTICAL beams. If you don't like to read, at least scroll down and read the CONCLUSION of the patents. Patent #6,766,744 and #6,183,569
www.uspto.gov/ (US patent official website)
Here are a few photos to give you a idea of how one of the patents look.
There is also thermite that explodes, it is called "superthermites" and it uses nano technologies to make nano sized aluminum and iron oxide. The smaller the microns the bigger the explosion.
"Superthermites" use tiny particles of aluminum known as "nanoaluminum" (<120 nanometers) in order to increase their reactivity. Mixed with fine metal oxide particles such as micron-scale iron oxide dust, nanoaluminum in superthermite becomes explosive:
Nanoenergetics refers to a broad class of energetic materials and formulations that exploit mechanisms and properties that exist only at the nanoscale. For example, aluminum is a highly reactive metal when produced as nanopowder (size <100 nm). Metal powders are an important subset of nanoenergetics. Today it is well known that nanoenergetics can increase performance of explosives, propellants and pyrotechnic devices. The interest and appeal of nanoenergetic formulations lies in their ability to release energy in a controllable fashion, coupled with their higher energy density, relative to conventional organic explosives…. Recent advances in particle synthesis technology allow commercial scale production of nanoaluminum.
www.intdetsymp.org/detsymp2002/PaperSubmit/FinalManuscript/pdf/Brousseau-193.pdf (Detonation Properties of Explosives Containing Nanometric Aluminum Powder)
www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/01/wo/wo_gartner012105.asp?p=1 (specifically regarding bombs)
Here is a video clip of the South Tower, showing a dripping molten substance coming from the 81st floor, right before it collapses. The official explanation claims that is is ALUMINUM! The problem is, aluminum does not look or behave like that! If it is steel or iron, it would of required a much greater source of heat than "jet fuel" fires...
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=545886459853896774&q=thermite (Video of "Molten metal" pouring from the WTC towers)
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Dose the "molten metal" powering out of the south tower look like molten iron or molten aluminum to you?
Pouring Cast Iron
Pouring Aluminum
This is a photo of a thermite reaction..
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Here is a discussion that talks specifically about the color and behavior of "molten aluminum". There where a few photos that where floating around that people claimed to be "molten aluminum" when they where "molten iron"..They claimed this was proof that aluminum could look like the "molten metal" that poured out of the south tower.
8real.proboards104.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=phony&thread=1155285629&page=1 (Glowing Molten Aluminum Discussion)
The following is a short video that highlights the fact that steaming red metal was still being found at the World Trade Center, six weeks after the attack. I need you to understand, there is no possible way fires from "jet fuel" could get that hot. Envision this, your house burns down, and over a month later, they are pulling out steel beams that are red hot! The fact is, thermite is a irreversible chemical reaction, once it starts, it burns, and burns, and burns.
Also, people will argue that fires from the crashes could of still been burning. There is one thing that fires need to stay alive, and its defiantly NOT 1000s of pounds of fire resistant steel piled on top of it! It needs oxygen, we all learn in 1st grade that oxygen is what a fire needs to survive.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3D2myMbQjQ&eurl= (Video of bright orange steel found at the WTC weeks later)
Below is a image that the USGS Spectroscopy Lab produced which shows dense thermal hot spots on top of the wreckage. They speculate that it was 1300 F. They claim they had most of the heat under control by the 23rd(almost 2 weeks later).
source: pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0050-02/fs-050-02_508.pdf
But we have video footage and photographs that contradict that statement. The deeper they went, the more heat they encountered, even up to 6 weeks later. ABC News reported that, the temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the "fires are too deep for firefighters to get to."
Here is a article that focuses on, if gravity where the cause, then there would not have been enough potential energy to create the dust cloud.
911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/volumev3.html (The North Tower's Dust Cloud)
This photograph is what I would call "smoking gun"! I would really like to here a explanation for it. This is a prime example of why NIST and FEMA never released their videos/photos from 9/11. This is Cedar Street At Ground Zero, Likely From Collapsed WTC 2 , With 90 West Street Building In Background, on 9/11/2001.
Here is a link to a article that shows that the collapse of the WTC buildings, FAILED a simple conservation-of-energy analysis.
www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.shtml (Collapse Theory Fails Reality Check)
Here is a paper that examines 1 thing. The fall times of the towers. People have tried to refute this model but you have to understand the logic behind it. In order for the building to have come down in 10 seconds(page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report), the lower undamaged floors would of had to start moving out of the way roughly 2 seconds before the collapse wave hit there.
The author of this paper is extremely qualified to talk about this subject, she has degrees in Civil Engineering, Engineering Mechanics and Materials Engineering Science.
janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html (A Refutation of the Official Collapse Theory)
Here is a link to the report of the testing that NIST did on ACTUAL FLOOR MODELS of the WTC towers.
wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/NCSTAR1-5index.htm (Official NIST report)
During these test, the fires reached 1100 degrees at the 33 minute mark then decreased rapidly. Once the fuel burned off, the fires dropped down to around 400 degrees at the 41 minute mark.
These test prove that the fires didn't burn hot enough or long enough to weaken the structural steel. So this is EVIDENCE that WTC 1, 2 and 7 should not have collapsed from the "steel beams weakening"...
According to NIST's own report, they have no reason to believe any of the structural support columns reached any hotter than 675 C (1200 F) more than likely it was around 600 C (1112 F) and that is the steel that was supposedly "stripped" of its fire protectant...
source: wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-5.pdf (NIST Reconstruction of the WTC Fires)
Below is a table that shows how long it would take before the steel would even weaken..
We must be aware, 2000 F is plenty hot enough to WEAKEN the steel BUT it would require 6-8 hours...Thats the whole point..For it to weaken in a hour, it would of required a much hotter fire than what is even possible given the conditions!
As a matter of fact. NIST sponsored Underwriter Laboratories to conduct fire test on actual floor models of the WTC towers. They used the identical steel that was used to build the WTC towers and put them under MAX loads. Guess what? They could not get the models to fail. UL even went WELL beyond the temperatures and times that actually happened on 9/11. Please take note, they where put under 1300 degree fires for 146 minutes, and didn't even weaken. Look at that row of 3's going down the middle of this table.
Source: wtc.nist.gov/WTC_Conf_Sep13-15/Sunder_WTCTechnicalConference_091305short.pdf
Under solicitation number SB1341-03-Q-0281, a firm fixed-price purchase order has been awarded to Underwriters Laboratory Inc. for the testing of the steel joist-supported floor system of the Word Trade Center towers under the fire conditions prescribed in ASTM E119. The results of the testing will provide the fire endurance ratings of typical floor construction to evaluate three primary factors, 1) test scale, 2) fireproofing thickness, and 3) thermal restraint.
Under this solicitation, three ASTM E119 tests of the WTC floor construction will be performed as follows:
1) 17 ft (5.2 m) span assembly, thermally restrained
2) 35 ft (10.7 m) span assembly, thermally restrained
3) 35 ft (10.7 m) span assembly, thermally unrestrained.
wtc.nist.gov/solicitations/wtc_awardQ0281.htm (contract details)
Findings : The floor system DID NOT FAIL to support loads in any test.
Kevin Ryan is a former lab director at Environmental Health Laboratories, Inc. a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratory, Inc.. After he saw these test with his own eyes, he took it upon himself to write NIST. "This story just does not add up," Ryan wrote in his e-mail to Frank Gayle, deputy chief of the institutes metallurgy division. "If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers."
www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041112144051451 (Underwriters Laboratories Executive Speaks Out on WTC Study)
Here is a 2 part presentation that Kevin Ryan gives that goes over the fallacies of the NIST WTC report.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8852275789608079687&q=kevin (Kevin Ryan at 9/11: Revealing the Truth Part 1 of 2)
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4631210991840610854&q=kevin (Kevin Ryan at 9/11: Revealing the Truth Part 2 of 2)
American Free Press writer Christopher Bollyn discusses photo evidence that thermite was used to sever the twin tower's steel support columns.
www.rense.com/general70/pphe.htm (Evidence Of Thermite On WTC Core Columns - Photo)
Here is another article from Chris Bollyn that talks about "white hot" fires.
www.rense.com/general70/whitehot.htm (The White Flames Of Thermite At The WTC - Photo)
Here is a collection of videos of Steven E. Jones. Listed in chronological order, from most recent to oldest. I personally feel the BEST thing to do is watch it from OLDEST to most recent. The reason being, is that you can see how his work progressed. The case for controlled demolition just keeps building and building as time went on. Over 6 months I went from skeptical to 100% convinced.
6/24/2006 (Los Angeles) 9/11 American Scholars Symposium - This is the most important video of the collection. He announces that he has done some test on certified WTC steel and it has come back positive with traces of "thermate".
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2205940254635302539&q=steven
6/20/2006 This is a good "starter" video. I almost feel like the interviewer right now. After reading Professor Jones paper (and most importantly, verifying) I felt like I didn't want to know what I now knew.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2614192464722842848&q=steven
6/02/2006 (Chicago) This is a summarized version of what he presented at the "9/11 American Scholars Symposium"
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=529253447051382848&q=steven
4/6/2006 (UVSC Update) This is when he announces that he came across a few armature video clips, showing what he believes to be "molten iron" from thermite. I have one of the videos posted above.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6023596331085044923&q=steven
2/1/2006 (UVSC) This is the video that convinced me to look into Professor Steven Jones paper. It is basically his paper summarized for a audience.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3088832407277518220&q=steven
We need a REAL INVESTIGATION. I don't think anybody in the "9/11 Truth Movement" has EVER claimed to know what happened on that day. What we can all agree on though, is what the government has fed us, is a bunch of bull! The story the government is feeding us, is physically impossible! It would have to break the very laws that hold this earth TOGETHER!...
After reading this article, you may wish to help "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" and sign the petition calling for release of U.S. government-held information regarding events of 9/11/2001. If you believe 9/11 was NOT a inside job, you may as well sign and get the evidence released anyways. It can only strengthen the official story, right?
www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172?ltl=1141667399 (See full petition before signing)
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Before you read this, you must realize a few things about myself. I am hoping this will clear up a few things that I am not, and that is, a person that thinks a missile hit the Pentagon, "Bush did it", or that any of the planes where switched with military jets that had "pods" on them.
I have a very firm stance on 9/11. And that is, we don't know who orchestrated 9/11. I do not believe it was only 19 Arab hijackers directed by Osama Bin-Laden. I believe there where a lot more people involved, some in our government, some not.
Now, that does not mean I think our whole government orchestrated it, but I honestly do believe that IF we wanted to stop those jets from hitting the targets, we could have. But there where so many "drills" going on that day(coincidence?) that we couldn't even stop a known hijacked plane, that had been traveling in the air for a hour!
I do not believe that any of the planes where "switched" with military planes. This would be a unnecessary risk. I believe they all hit the targets that the official story says they hit. I have a strong suspicion that flight 93 had a bomb on it and blew up in the air OR it was shot down. I do not believe the passengers forced the plane to crash, sorry if that offends anybody.
I believe WTC 1, 2 and 7 collapsed as a result of controlled demolition. Not plane impacts and the ensuing "jet fuel" fires. This is probably the hardest hypothesis to get people to accept. But I believe this topic has the most evidence.
Ok, I'm going to try and lay out some videos and articles..The focus of this thread is that WTC 1, 2 and 7 where brought down with thermite/thermate/superthermite or any other combination of explosives(controlled demolition). NOT plane crashes and jet fuel fires.
If you go through my collection of videos and articles, you will see that the case for controlled demolition is overwhelming. Please, if you have ANY question or if you have reason to think I am making this up, please say something...I welcome criticism, it will only strengthen my argument...
First and foremost, I feel this first link is the most important. I have a feeling a lot more people will start to believe if they take the time to read this paper. If you want to "wake up" here you go.
www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf (Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?)
Professor Jones has revealed that previously molten metal from the WTC is predominantly IRON(go look up the melting temperature of iron) so we can rule out aluminum! The previously molten metal has little(if any) chromium yet an abundance of magnesium, which rules out molten structural steel! The previously molten metal also has shown fluorine and sulfur in abundance! Fluorine is present in an oxidizer using polytetrafluoreothylene as its base, used in thermite charges. You take all four of these, fluorine, magnesium, sulfur and iron and what you get, is a fingerprint for thermate.
FEMA came out with a report about the "Mysterious Sulfidation of the WTC Steel"..the report does not do ANYTHING but reinforce Professor Jones hypothesis.
www.fema.gov/rebuild/mat/wtcstudy.shtm (FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study)
Here is a direct link to Appendix C which talks about the "Mysterious Sulfidation of the WTC Steel"
www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf (Appendix C of the FEMA WTC study)
The most important thing to remember about WTC 7 is that it was never hit by a airplane(no jet fuel or 500mph impact) and it had damage to 1 side(a multi story gash speculated to be anywhere from 15-20 stories high) with asymmetrical fires.
What I want you to see is, the SYMMETRICAL(asymmetrical damage and asymmetrical fires should not equal a symmetrical collapse) 6.5 second collapse of WTC Building 7. That is almost free-fall speeds in a vacuum! There is no possible way gravity and fires could have brought this building down at this rate. You will see a article down below that talks about "conservation-of-momentum" that explains this in detail.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5101488991907845273&q=WTC (Collapse of WTC 7)
Here are some slides from NIST's WTC 7 report. There are only two images provided to support NIST's conclusion that Building 7 sustained severe structural damage from the collapse of the North Tower. There is not 1 single picture that shows this supposed gash going up the middle of the building!
Here is a link to the NIST report of WTC 7, which is not even finished after 5 years! In the report, they use a DRAWING to claim there was a huge gash in the "center" of the building.
wtc.nist.gov/pubs/June2004WTC7StructuralFire&CollapseAnalysisPrint.pdf (NIST WTC 7 Structural Fire Response and Collapse Analysis)
Here is the drawing...
This image shows a giant gash in the building's southwest corner extending from the 18th floor downward.
This next image shows damage to the parapet wall at the top of the south-facing facade.This is the only picture that shows that there was supposed to be a huge 20 floor gash in the center of the building..
The other key piece of evidence, they report on the "scattered" fires..Take notice on what they say about the diesel fuel..
Even if we accept all of NIST's claims about extensive structural damage to WTC 7, and its claims about fires on several different floors, its collapse scenario is not remotely plausible. The alleged damage was asymmetric, confined to the tower's south side, and any weakening of the steelwork from fire exposure would also be asymmetric. Thus, even if the damage were sufficient to cause the whole building to collapse, it would have fallen over asymmetrically -- toward the south. But WTC 7 leaned slightly to the NORTH and fell straight down, into its footprint.
The damage was on the south face - a 20 story high gash in the center and the SW corner - and it leaned toward the north, onto West Broadway.
source: www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf (FEMA WTC 7 Incomplete Report)
This is a video of a engineer that graduated from MIT named Jeff King that talks about a few of the official theories that FEMA and NIST adopted. He goes onto explain that "controlled demolition" is the only answer for what happened on that day.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&q=jeff (Public speech by Jeff King)
If you are unfamiliar with "thermite". The following video shows what it is. It is fine aluminum and iron oxide powder. When it is ignited, out comes molten iron! Whatever that iron touches, it melts. Most people ask "How could they use thermite to bring down the towers?" Well, there is a specific patent out there for a casing/housing that is specifically designed to use thermite to cut steel. There is also thermite that is explosive.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7231843493488769585&q=thermite (short video that shows what "thermite" is)
You can see both GOVERNMENT patents for the housing that would allow you to attach thermite to VERTICAL beams. If you don't like to read, at least scroll down and read the CONCLUSION of the patents. Patent #6,766,744 and #6,183,569
www.uspto.gov/ (US patent official website)
Here are a few photos to give you a idea of how one of the patents look.
There is also thermite that explodes, it is called "superthermites" and it uses nano technologies to make nano sized aluminum and iron oxide. The smaller the microns the bigger the explosion.
"Superthermites" use tiny particles of aluminum known as "nanoaluminum" (<120 nanometers) in order to increase their reactivity. Mixed with fine metal oxide particles such as micron-scale iron oxide dust, nanoaluminum in superthermite becomes explosive:
Nanoenergetics refers to a broad class of energetic materials and formulations that exploit mechanisms and properties that exist only at the nanoscale. For example, aluminum is a highly reactive metal when produced as nanopowder (size <100 nm). Metal powders are an important subset of nanoenergetics. Today it is well known that nanoenergetics can increase performance of explosives, propellants and pyrotechnic devices. The interest and appeal of nanoenergetic formulations lies in their ability to release energy in a controllable fashion, coupled with their higher energy density, relative to conventional organic explosives…. Recent advances in particle synthesis technology allow commercial scale production of nanoaluminum.
www.intdetsymp.org/detsymp2002/PaperSubmit/FinalManuscript/pdf/Brousseau-193.pdf (Detonation Properties of Explosives Containing Nanometric Aluminum Powder)
www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/01/wo/wo_gartner012105.asp?p=1 (specifically regarding bombs)
Here is a video clip of the South Tower, showing a dripping molten substance coming from the 81st floor, right before it collapses. The official explanation claims that is is ALUMINUM! The problem is, aluminum does not look or behave like that! If it is steel or iron, it would of required a much greater source of heat than "jet fuel" fires...
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=545886459853896774&q=thermite (Video of "Molten metal" pouring from the WTC towers)
Dose the "molten metal" powering out of the south tower look like molten iron or molten aluminum to you?
Pouring Cast Iron
Pouring Aluminum
This is a photo of a thermite reaction..
Here is a discussion that talks specifically about the color and behavior of "molten aluminum". There where a few photos that where floating around that people claimed to be "molten aluminum" when they where "molten iron"..They claimed this was proof that aluminum could look like the "molten metal" that poured out of the south tower.
8real.proboards104.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=phony&thread=1155285629&page=1 (Glowing Molten Aluminum Discussion)
The following is a short video that highlights the fact that steaming red metal was still being found at the World Trade Center, six weeks after the attack. I need you to understand, there is no possible way fires from "jet fuel" could get that hot. Envision this, your house burns down, and over a month later, they are pulling out steel beams that are red hot! The fact is, thermite is a irreversible chemical reaction, once it starts, it burns, and burns, and burns.
Also, people will argue that fires from the crashes could of still been burning. There is one thing that fires need to stay alive, and its defiantly NOT 1000s of pounds of fire resistant steel piled on top of it! It needs oxygen, we all learn in 1st grade that oxygen is what a fire needs to survive.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3D2myMbQjQ&eurl= (Video of bright orange steel found at the WTC weeks later)
Below is a image that the USGS Spectroscopy Lab produced which shows dense thermal hot spots on top of the wreckage. They speculate that it was 1300 F. They claim they had most of the heat under control by the 23rd(almost 2 weeks later).
source: pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0050-02/fs-050-02_508.pdf
But we have video footage and photographs that contradict that statement. The deeper they went, the more heat they encountered, even up to 6 weeks later. ABC News reported that, the temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the "fires are too deep for firefighters to get to."
Here is a article that focuses on, if gravity where the cause, then there would not have been enough potential energy to create the dust cloud.
911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/volumev3.html (The North Tower's Dust Cloud)
This photograph is what I would call "smoking gun"! I would really like to here a explanation for it. This is a prime example of why NIST and FEMA never released their videos/photos from 9/11. This is Cedar Street At Ground Zero, Likely From Collapsed WTC 2 , With 90 West Street Building In Background, on 9/11/2001.
Here is a link to a article that shows that the collapse of the WTC buildings, FAILED a simple conservation-of-energy analysis.
www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.shtml (Collapse Theory Fails Reality Check)
Here is a paper that examines 1 thing. The fall times of the towers. People have tried to refute this model but you have to understand the logic behind it. In order for the building to have come down in 10 seconds(page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report), the lower undamaged floors would of had to start moving out of the way roughly 2 seconds before the collapse wave hit there.
The author of this paper is extremely qualified to talk about this subject, she has degrees in Civil Engineering, Engineering Mechanics and Materials Engineering Science.
janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html (A Refutation of the Official Collapse Theory)
Here is a link to the report of the testing that NIST did on ACTUAL FLOOR MODELS of the WTC towers.
wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/NCSTAR1-5index.htm (Official NIST report)
During these test, the fires reached 1100 degrees at the 33 minute mark then decreased rapidly. Once the fuel burned off, the fires dropped down to around 400 degrees at the 41 minute mark.
These test prove that the fires didn't burn hot enough or long enough to weaken the structural steel. So this is EVIDENCE that WTC 1, 2 and 7 should not have collapsed from the "steel beams weakening"...
According to NIST's own report, they have no reason to believe any of the structural support columns reached any hotter than 675 C (1200 F) more than likely it was around 600 C (1112 F) and that is the steel that was supposedly "stripped" of its fire protectant...
source: wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-5.pdf (NIST Reconstruction of the WTC Fires)
Below is a table that shows how long it would take before the steel would even weaken..
We must be aware, 2000 F is plenty hot enough to WEAKEN the steel BUT it would require 6-8 hours...Thats the whole point..For it to weaken in a hour, it would of required a much hotter fire than what is even possible given the conditions!
As a matter of fact. NIST sponsored Underwriter Laboratories to conduct fire test on actual floor models of the WTC towers. They used the identical steel that was used to build the WTC towers and put them under MAX loads. Guess what? They could not get the models to fail. UL even went WELL beyond the temperatures and times that actually happened on 9/11. Please take note, they where put under 1300 degree fires for 146 minutes, and didn't even weaken. Look at that row of 3's going down the middle of this table.
Source: wtc.nist.gov/WTC_Conf_Sep13-15/Sunder_WTCTechnicalConference_091305short.pdf
Under solicitation number SB1341-03-Q-0281, a firm fixed-price purchase order has been awarded to Underwriters Laboratory Inc. for the testing of the steel joist-supported floor system of the Word Trade Center towers under the fire conditions prescribed in ASTM E119. The results of the testing will provide the fire endurance ratings of typical floor construction to evaluate three primary factors, 1) test scale, 2) fireproofing thickness, and 3) thermal restraint.
Under this solicitation, three ASTM E119 tests of the WTC floor construction will be performed as follows:
1) 17 ft (5.2 m) span assembly, thermally restrained
2) 35 ft (10.7 m) span assembly, thermally restrained
3) 35 ft (10.7 m) span assembly, thermally unrestrained.
wtc.nist.gov/solicitations/wtc_awardQ0281.htm (contract details)
Findings : The floor system DID NOT FAIL to support loads in any test.
Kevin Ryan is a former lab director at Environmental Health Laboratories, Inc. a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratory, Inc.. After he saw these test with his own eyes, he took it upon himself to write NIST. "This story just does not add up," Ryan wrote in his e-mail to Frank Gayle, deputy chief of the institutes metallurgy division. "If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers."
www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041112144051451 (Underwriters Laboratories Executive Speaks Out on WTC Study)
Here is a 2 part presentation that Kevin Ryan gives that goes over the fallacies of the NIST WTC report.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8852275789608079687&q=kevin (Kevin Ryan at 9/11: Revealing the Truth Part 1 of 2)
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4631210991840610854&q=kevin (Kevin Ryan at 9/11: Revealing the Truth Part 2 of 2)
American Free Press writer Christopher Bollyn discusses photo evidence that thermite was used to sever the twin tower's steel support columns.
www.rense.com/general70/pphe.htm (Evidence Of Thermite On WTC Core Columns - Photo)
Here is another article from Chris Bollyn that talks about "white hot" fires.
www.rense.com/general70/whitehot.htm (The White Flames Of Thermite At The WTC - Photo)
Here is a collection of videos of Steven E. Jones. Listed in chronological order, from most recent to oldest. I personally feel the BEST thing to do is watch it from OLDEST to most recent. The reason being, is that you can see how his work progressed. The case for controlled demolition just keeps building and building as time went on. Over 6 months I went from skeptical to 100% convinced.
6/24/2006 (Los Angeles) 9/11 American Scholars Symposium - This is the most important video of the collection. He announces that he has done some test on certified WTC steel and it has come back positive with traces of "thermate".
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2205940254635302539&q=steven
6/20/2006 This is a good "starter" video. I almost feel like the interviewer right now. After reading Professor Jones paper (and most importantly, verifying) I felt like I didn't want to know what I now knew.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2614192464722842848&q=steven
6/02/2006 (Chicago) This is a summarized version of what he presented at the "9/11 American Scholars Symposium"
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=529253447051382848&q=steven
4/6/2006 (UVSC Update) This is when he announces that he came across a few armature video clips, showing what he believes to be "molten iron" from thermite. I have one of the videos posted above.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6023596331085044923&q=steven
2/1/2006 (UVSC) This is the video that convinced me to look into Professor Steven Jones paper. It is basically his paper summarized for a audience.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3088832407277518220&q=steven
We need a REAL INVESTIGATION. I don't think anybody in the "9/11 Truth Movement" has EVER claimed to know what happened on that day. What we can all agree on though, is what the government has fed us, is a bunch of bull! The story the government is feeding us, is physically impossible! It would have to break the very laws that hold this earth TOGETHER!...
After reading this article, you may wish to help "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" and sign the petition calling for release of U.S. government-held information regarding events of 9/11/2001. If you believe 9/11 was NOT a inside job, you may as well sign and get the evidence released anyways. It can only strengthen the official story, right?
www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172?ltl=1141667399 (See full petition before signing)
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